Grooming Standard Enforced

[Deputy Commander Turner]

The Deputy Fleet Commander also has a few complaints, wines, bitches, over reactions, and bi-polar moments to attend to, after all it is just a game. So, send me a PM, don't, I don't much care.

I work way to hard on this fleet to put up with all this girlie bullshit I keep hearing from some of you. So, put a sock in it. Have fun, don't have fun. Quit, Don't Quit.

The Management

[ShadowFX]

Still confused as to the purpose of this post. Are you saying your going to awol the people that haven't been logging in ( because that makes sense). As for us normal people we don't know what bitching your referring to and would love to be in on the drama so we can blanket party.

[Admiral Van Wormer]

As I have reminded all hands MANY, MANY times... Our rules aren't hard. Log in once a week... Only takes a minute... Let me know if you have RL issues that prevent that... I CAN work with you if you do. You REALLY want to STAY OFF the Deputy Commanders shit list!

[Vital<FCF>]

Its even easier if 7th Fleet is your homepage. That's how I have it setup. But Really.... is it that hard to come here? Keep up-to-date on that is going on. Its only one click away.

[Thunor Stryker]

Sweet! So I may come up for promotion!!! Always trying to look on the bright side.

[Morgan Shackelford]

I've led 2 guilds in other titles and I can tell you right now the best way to keep the fleet alive is to constantly cut dead weight and bring in fresh blood. Stagnation will kill you.

As for whining - if you are a member, and you are holding leadership responsible for your enjoyment of the game, then you're doing it wrong. General members can make the game literally unplayable for leadership if they are constantly hoisting every single issue they have upon them. I've seen large scale alliances crushed under the weight of constant negativity, infighting and petty bickering over in game issues that half the time leadership couldn't do anything about anyway.

I don't need Fortin or anyone else to be online to have a good time in game, and if you do, then perhaps you should revisit whether you actually like this game or not. If you don't like it for whatever reason, that's fine; I don't think anyone is going to come on here and flame you for finding fault with certain aspects of the title - as long as you aren't posting something brimming with negativity. You can criticize and point out what's disappointing you without making the reader feel like crap. Who knows, you might even have a fleetmate point out something you didn't realize that resolves whatever gameplay mechanics are causing you grief.

If STO is fun for you, then a Fleet like the 7th is just the icing on the cake. If it's not - no matter how much you might like this fleet and everyone in it - it won't be enough to make the game what you want it to be. Don't bring the rest of us down because STO is not what you had hoped for.

That being said, I would humbly suggest that leadership may want to consider designating someone willing as 'Fleet Counselor.' A position like this has worked well for me when running teams for long periods of time in the past; it's essentially someone the general members can go to when they are having issues with other members. This frees up the command team to focus on putting events together and the like, rather than getting sucked into the 'drama' that sometimes accompanies running medium to large size guilds.

I hope this post didn't come across badly, but I can relate to the higher ups being sick of people's crap. I know what kind of effort, dedication and time can go into keeping a group like this running. Have some gratitude. I don't think asking a general member to log into the website once a week when certain leaders probably spend hours every week doing admin duties is too much to ask as a minimum requirement.

[Valinar]

sparrow794 wrote:

I've led 2 guilds in other titles and I can tell you right now the best way to keep the fleet alive is to constantly cut dead weight and bring in fresh blood. Stagnation will kill you. As for whining - if you are a member, and you are holding leadership responsible for your enjoyment of the game, then you're doing it wrong. General members can make the game literally unplayable for leadership if they are constantly hoisting every single issue they have upon them. I've seen large scale alliances crushed under the weight of constant negativity, infighting and petty bickering over in game issues that half the time leadership couldn't do anything about anyway. I don't need Fortin or anyone else to be online to have a good time in game, and if you do, then perhaps you should revisit whether you actually like this game or not. If you don't like it for whatever reason, that's fine; I don't think anyone is going to come on here and flame you for finding fault with certain aspects of the title - as long as you aren't posting something brimming with negativity. You can criticize and point out what's disappointing you without making the reader feel like crap. Who knows, you might even have a fleetmate point out something you didn't realize that resolves whatever gameplay mechanics are causing you grief. If STO is fun for you, then a Fleet like the 7th is just the icing on the cake. If it's not - no matter how much you might like this fleet and everyone in it - it won't be enough to make the game what you want it to be. Don't bring the rest of us down because STO is not what you had hoped for. That being said, I would humbly suggest that leadership may want to consider designating someone willing as 'Fleet Counselor.' A position like this has worked well for me when running teams for long periods of time in the past; it's essentially someone the general members can go to when they are having issues with other members. This frees up the command team to focus on putting events together and the like, rather than getting sucked into the 'drama' that sometimes accompanies running medium to large size guilds. I hope this post didn't come across badly, but I can relate to the higher ups being sick of people's crap. I know what kind of effort, dedication and time can go into keeping a group like this running. Have some gratitude. I don't think asking a general member to log into the website once a week when certain leaders probably spend hours every week doing admin duties is too much to ask as a minimum requirement.

Well said. The counselor thing is an interesting idea, but I'm not sure how well it would be received or utilized.

Being a former guild officer and leader in past games, it's ridiculously tiresome to take hours out of your day, only to see some members failing to do one simple 2 minute task a week that you have asked of them.

I have complete confidence in our leadership, and their performance. On the same token, I don't need any of them to have a good time, especially in this game. I can take care of that part myself. Afterall, it was ME who approached you about membership because of our shared desire to play this game, not you who approached me. All of you should remember that, because with the exception of leadership, all of you joined this fleet in the same fashion as I did. If you can't do the one simple tasking asked of you, then go away.

[xivim]

Agreed. i dont remember anyone from 7th fleet asking me to join. Heck, i wasnt even playing STO at the time. i sought out this fleet, and asked to join. As such, its my responsibility to do what little (and beyond) is asked of me.

Iv also ran a few guilds, either as GM or Officer, and i know what a burden it can be. All that everyone has to do is a few simple, short little tasks, and your golden. (not ticking off the Flag Officers is also a good idea =p )


We are all here to have fun, from the Cadets to the Fleet Admirals. Some people choose to do more work for the fleet, others dont, but E V E R Y O N E needs to do the little that is asked of them, or *CHOP* goes the axe.

One of my personal friends did just that... joined the fleet, with my recommendation, then vanished. Didnt sign into the website, the game, or vent. nothing. (oh i know hes still around, i see him active on FB)

I had no regrets when he was Axed. Didnt do his part. /shrug

oh wells. Time to go back to the fun!

[Valinar]

I too have several RL friends who are playing this game right now as well. I'm sure I'll be enjoying a few missions with them every now and then once I get online, but I am hesitant to introduce them to the fleet right now, because all of them have the habit of falling out of touch, and disappearing from games in favor of new ones. I think it'll be better served by waiting and seeing who's still playing, and how active they really are once I'm able to join in. From there I'll see who seems likely to be staying in STO for a long time, and introduce them.

As far as doing more for the fleet than others, I know exactly what you mean. I'm the appointed XO for my Task Force, and I have not met or worked with any of them yet. I will certainly have alot to do to catch up with everyone, while at the same time getting to know the TF 77 peeps, and establishing a good routine that will allow us to get to know each other better, and at the same time contribute to the 7th as a whole.

[xivim]

I tend to hang out in TF 555 channel every now and then, as im the XO for 555 (Acting CO until Mr Hanson returns to the fleet) and i dont really group up with many from 555, but i like to sit there, get to know them, hold nice debates about Star Trek Tech, all that good stuff

[One of None]

I have not had any problems with Fleet7, and enjoy the chance to connect with fellow Trekies.

It is a simple thing to visit the site and respond to emails, and if you don't do that your simply not interested in the Fleet.

LT Commander Marcus;
I know Task Force 555 enjoys having you as our XO and jining us on the Vent.

[Solrac Yatug]

I agree about the bellyache bunch...I'm a member of an American Legion post and of the 1,500 or so members, 50 to 70 are regulars and of those, perhaps 20 do the majority of the work, coordinating, volunteering time, holding officer's postions, etc. The only complaints I hear from them is about the people who only show up on occassion but HAVE complaints about petty issues. It only serves to bring others down and ruin their day.

Perhaps a counsellors position within the fleet is not a bad idea at all. Or perhaps a crying towel thread to vent issues in to could be tried with the counsellor as mediator.

[Captain Talbot]

sparrow794 wrote:

I would humbly suggest that leadership may want to consider designating someone willing as 'Fleet Counselor.' A position like this has worked well for me when running teams for long periods of time in the past; it's essentially someone the general members can go to when they are having issues with other members. This frees up the command team to focus on putting events together and the like, rather than getting sucked into the 'drama' that sometimes accompanies running medium to large size guilds.

I agree with you as well, that is one of the things my office handles. If any Fleet member has a "beef" with another member, it needs too be brought to my attention so it can be dealt with privately between both members and myself. If the command staff needs to be "bothered" then they will be bothered by me, and no one else.

[Admiral Van Wormer]

Charles Talbot wrote:

I agree with you as well, that is one of the things my office handles. If any Fleet member has a "beef" with another member, it needs too be brought to my attention so it can be dealt with privately between both members and myself. If the command staff needs to be "bothered" then they will be bothered by me, and no one else.

You go Colonel Talbot!!

[Chloraform]

Col. Talbot Sir...

I mean no disrespect.. but in your signature block... Uh... Sir... the correct spelling I believe Sir is "General" not "Genreal"

Marcel Francois Picard