Fleet Bank Limits *REVISED*

[Thunor Stryker]

I logged in recently and saw that the Fleet bank limits have changed again with regards to withdrawing items. When was this new policy announced? Why are Fleet Captains limited to 5 items? I can understand the credit limitations as that has been discussed in prior posts. I know every one place numerous items into the fleet bank for all, and I understand the limitations placed on lower ranking members. I just think that once you rise above the rank on Lieutenant in the fleet you should be able to take items as needed.

[Morgan Shackelford]

I just had a similar convo with Fenrir.

From what I am able to gather, it looks like one of our recent ensigns took a fairly substantial quantity of crafting materials and the left the fleet without so much as a word. I believe Mr. Yatug reset the permissions downward, and I can't say I blame him - the crafting materials can be worth a substantial amount.

I'm sure it will be brought up at tonight's staff meeting; we may revise the permission levels again, I'm not sure. In any case, even with what they are at now, you should be able to get the items you need in terms of upgrading your ship or character without much trouble.

If you do need a stack of items (batteries, crafting items, or the like) do not hesitate to send me a tell.

All that being said, I intend to push for some additional priveleges for our Captains tonight anyway; I will add this to the list.

[Thunor Stryker]

I have always agreed with some limitations on the lower ranking. But as you get to above Lieutenant and have been in the fleet for some time I believe that a certain amount of trust is established.

[Thunor Stryker]

I saw the meeting notes and I must say I am EXTREMELY disappointed with the decision to limit fleet Commanders and above to 5 items from the bank. I have been a member of the fleet now for almost a year. I believe most Commanders and above have been in quite some time and have established enough trust to not have restrictions like these. Having silo administration and punishing the Fleet as a whole is not good policy.

[VADM pRett]

For my part, I have no issue with the limitations. I'm generally reluctant to take anything from the fleet bank, and always try to contribute more than I withdraw.

The fleet bank is nice to have as a repository for items a fleet member might need...but if you're feeling a need to withdraw 6+ items a day from the bank, I'll go ahead and suggest it implies you're not being very self-sufficient.

No offense intended toward you or anyone else, but that is the message it suggests to me. As Commodore Shackelford has said, if you need more than your limit, contact him, and he'd be happy to help.

[Thunor Stryker]

It is not a matter of being "self sufficient".
1. I have multiple characters (Klingon) and utilize the fleet to help my character/fleet there as well.
2. I also have placed probably deposited HUNDREDS of lower ranking or uncommon items I do not need and placed them into the bank.
3. Having a limit also hinders senior officers trying new hings and swapping within the bank.
4. More often than not (other than batteries and components) I do not make withdrawals from the bank. So I really do not feel it is about me.



MOST IMPORTANTLY: It boils down to a trust of your senior officers within the fleet.

[VADM pRett]

CoyoteMopar wrote:

It is not a matter of being "self sufficient". 1. I have multiple characters (Klingon) and utilize the fleet to help my character/fleet there as well.

That's why there's a Fleet Bank for the House.

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MOST IMPORTANTLY: It boils down to a trust of your senior officers within the fleet.

Then perhaps you could do them the courtesy of extending them your trust on this matter, that they are looking out for the fleet, as a whole.

[Thunor Stryker]

If you have played the Klingon side within the Fleet you would see that it is lacking the material that the Fed side has, especially for lower rank equipment.

I fail to see how they are "looking out for the Fleet as a whole" when an ENS can rob the bank. Then turn around and place limits on the veterans.

Again just my opinion. Does not matter to me one way or the other.

[Morgan Shackelford]

Just to clarify; the permissions on the Fleet bank (federation side) and those of the Klingon Fleet bank are not necessarily set at the same levels.

As far as the actual Fed side permissions go, I feel the limits are fairly reasonable. We want to find a balance between privelege and protection; and while this may not be perfect for everyone, it's not a bad compromise, either.

As always, if you truly need something and can't get at it, send me a PM and I will try and get it as soon as possible for you. I monitor the website daily.

[William Anders]

Just deal with it. You can take the max amount of items daily. It may take a little longer than you'd like, but the restrictions are there for a reason. I don't think they're unreasonable.

Just my thoughts..

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[Marcus Korr]

EVERYONE has new limits. Not just Senior Officers. I wasn't bumbed up from ensign to Lt. Commander until a couple days ago and I have made very well on my own in crafting. Without the bank. Just go to Delta Varanis and fly around get a couple of missions and get the anomalies. It isnt that they dont trust you. They dont trust anyone because we got robbed feeling that if we were trusting of everyone then they would show that back. But when stuff like this happens protical must change. So Like Bill said, Deal with it like the rest of us. And one more thing. If this was a big deal. Why werent you at the staff meeting. Everyone that has posted on here was there. Why werent you Captain?

[Thunor Stryker]

Gentleman,

Not quite sure what the hostility is about, but I was at the staff meeting even though I am not a member of the command staff. I could not stay thru the chit chat so I left.

As I stated in the past posts once you make the higher ranks within the fleet I think a certain amount of trust is established. I guess you can say it is the principal of the think.

I think everyone can do well without the bank if they so choose. The fleet I think IS about trust and cooperation. How would the Genera/Admiral feel if they could not trust the command officers in the field with the requisition of equipment? "No, Captain you cannot have those components to repair your ship. You have already withdrew two engine batteries, a console and two minor components from supply already."

I digress. This will be the last post for me on this subject.

[Morgan Shackelford]

If he wasn't at the meeting it's because he doesn't have to be. Participation is appreciated in any form, whether it's coming to a staff meeting, or posting on the forums. Attendance is not mandatory; and Mr. Stryker's concerns are not invalid. In point of fact, they are welcomed.

If leadership is not prepared to address concerns with reasonable, thought out answers, then perhaps they shouldn't be leading. Every person in this fleet has the right to question the decisions that we are making.

I would much prefer that if any of you out there have a concern, or problem of any kind, with what we do in HQ - do not hesitate to bring them up, anytime, anyplace.

Let's not start pointing fingers at each other about who is participating in what how often.